Anyone else massively concerned about the way Chelsea fans have reacted to the Anton Ferdinand race allegations?

I mean, Liverpool were scum bags but at least you could put it down to a misguided sense of loyalty and perceived injustice. The Chelsea fans reaction though is something else, it appears that they are defending Terry through some misguided sense of loyalty and that they agree with Terry’s alleged assessment of Ferdinand’s personality.

First it was the racist chanting on the train and now someone has allegedly sent Ferdinand a death threat. I would normally say they’re isolated events and ‘a couple of idiots’ but a Facebook friend (who has since been deleted)wrote a status that said something like ‘hope Ferdinand enjoyed his present’ yesterday and a load of Chelsea fans liked it and commented on it with some vile stuff.

The worst thing is, this has gone to a real life court. There will be no bias or compromised panel for the Chelsea fans to hide behind like some Liverpool fans tried. If he is found guilty it will have been after an actual, proper trial.

If Terry is found not guilty, Ferdinand will be branded a liar forever and the hate will increase just as much as if Terry is found guilty.

Ferdinand is either very brave or very stupid.

My problem is that Terry is getting a legal hearing so the burden of proof is the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt and I think they may be able to get off this charge then the FA will brush aside their case but the Suarez case was in front of an independent panel and the report says he is charged because Evra’s case seems more probable. This will cause the chelsea fans will stand on some huge pedestal and get even worse.

Don Down Under - 28 January 2012 11:28 AM

My problem is that Terry is getting a legal hearing so the burden of proof is the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt and I think they may be able to get off this charge then the FA will brush aside their case but the Suarez case was in front of an independent panel and the report says he is charged because Evra’s case seems more probable. This will cause the chelsea fans will stand on some huge pedestal and get even worse.

I believe in civil cases, of which this one is as QPR/Ferdinand reported it to the police, Terry can also be charged on the balance of probability. Beyond reasonable doubt is for criminal cases of which this one, and the Suarez/Evra incident, are not. Plus the FA could still carry out their own investigation/punishment after the police investigation is concluded.

I wonder why anyone is surprised ... Chelsea fans in racism shocker.

At the risk of setting Liverpool fans into a fit of vapours, both Everton and Liverpool fans have always had a terrible reputation as well.

Don Down Under - 28 January 2012 11:28 AM

My problem is that Terry is getting a legal hearing so the burden of proof is the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt and I think they may be able to get off this charge then the FA will brush aside their case but the Suarez case was in front of an independent panel and the report says he is charged because Evra’s case seems more probable. This will cause the chelsea fans will stand on some huge pedestal and get even worse.

Erm, Terry isn’t ‘getting’ a legal hearing. He is being prosecuted.

If he is found guilty, then the FA will have no choice but to do Terry. But anyway, that isn’t the point I was making.

Dance Magic Dance - 28 January 2012 01:16 PM

Don Down Under - 28 January 2012 11:28 AM

My problem is that Terry is getting a legal hearing so the burden of proof is the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt and I think they may be able to get off this charge then the FA will brush aside their case but the Suarez case was in front of an independent panel and the report says he is charged because Evra’s case seems more probable. This will cause the chelsea fans will stand on some huge pedestal and get even worse.

Erm, Terry isn’t ‘getting’ a legal hearing. He is being prosecuted.

If he is found guilty, then the FA will have no choice but to do Terry. But anyway, that isn’t the point I was making.

I think what he is trying to say is that John Terry faces a criminal case in which it will have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty.  If he is found not guilty in court, then I fully expect the FA to hide behind this and he will face no action, despite there in fact being as much, if not more evidence against Terry than Suarez.

Man, woman and child screaming at Patrice Evra whenever he takes a throw-in.

I can see their mouths moving and their arms gesticulating, but what possibly can they be saying?

AUFCrick - 28 January 2012 02:12 PM

Dance Magic Dance - 28 January 2012 01:16 PM

Don Down Under - 28 January 2012 11:28 AM

My problem is that Terry is getting a legal hearing so the burden of proof is the need for proof beyond reasonable doubt and I think they may be able to get off this charge then the FA will brush aside their case but the Suarez case was in front of an independent panel and the report says he is charged because Evra’s case seems more probable. This will cause the chelsea fans will stand on some huge pedestal and get even worse.

Erm, Terry isn’t ‘getting’ a legal hearing. He is being prosecuted.

If he is found guilty, then the FA will have no choice but to do Terry. But anyway, that isn’t the point I was making.

I think what he is trying to say is that John Terry faces a criminal case in which it will have to be proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty.  If he is found not guilty in court, then I fully expect the FA to hide behind this and he will face no action, despite there in fact being as much, if not more evidence against Terry than Suarez.

If he is found not guilty then he’ll have no case to answer to the FA. There’ll be nothing to hide behind.

There isn’t more evidence anyway, apart from a video in which the ‘important’ word is obscured by Cole’s bonce. Other than that, there’s nothing. Unless you’re privvy to some information that no one else has seen.

@rckd - 28 January 2012 02:21 PM

Man, woman and child screaming at Patrice Evra whenever he takes a throw-in.

I can see their mouths moving and their arms gesticulating, but what possibly can they be saying?

Every second he’son the ball! It’s disgraceful, how dare he be racially abused and have the cheek to report it? Classy bunch.

Warper - 28 January 2012 02:26 PM

@rckd - 28 January 2012 02:21 PM

Man, woman and child screaming at Patrice Evra whenever he takes a throw-in.

I can see their mouths moving and their arms gesticulating, but what possibly can they be saying?

Every second he’son the ball! It’s disgraceful, how dare he be racially abused and have the cheek to report it? Classy bunch.

They’re booing whenever he gets the ball, but seeing people actually shout abuse is a different level.  As I say, what possibly can they be shouting?  ‘Booh, you shouldn’t have been racially abused, booooooh’

@rckd - 28 January 2012 02:21 PM

Man, woman and child screaming at Patrice Evra whenever he takes a throw-in.

I can see their mouths moving and their arms gesticulating, but what possibly can they be saying?

When they scanned the crowd there was not a single black or Asian spectator in the whole ground as far as I could see. Maybe they don’t feel so welcome nowadays.

@rckd - 28 January 2012 02:31 PM

Warper - 28 January 2012 02:26 PM

@rckd - 28 January 2012 02:21 PM

Man, woman and child screaming at Patrice Evra whenever he takes a throw-in.

I can see their mouths moving and their arms gesticulating, but what possibly can they be saying?

Every second he’son the ball! It’s disgraceful, how dare he be racially abused and have the cheek to report it? Classy bunch.

They’re booing whenever he gets the ball, but seeing people actually shout abuse is a different level.  As I say, what possibly can they be shouting?  ‘Booh, you shouldn’t have been racially abused, booooooh’

They are acting no better then the pieces of shit I grew up around living in southern Virginia. Disgraceful.

The thing about the Ferdinand/Terry thing that makes it even worse…is that Ferdinand isn’t the one who made the complaint.  It was some unknown spectator who did it.

https://twitter.com/sabotagetimes/status/163259336053891072

The Liverpool reason why they are booing Evra is because he is a liar. That is all fine and dandy, but Suarez admitted to calling Evra the N word.

Shivam - 28 January 2012 03:05 PM

The Liverpool reason why they are booing Evra is because he is a liar. That is all fine and dandy, but Suarez admitted to calling Evra the N word.

Therefore it’s not fair enough.

shandy - 28 January 2012 03:04 PM

https://twitter.com/sabotagetimes/status/163259336053891072

Jesus.

shandy - 28 January 2012 03:04 PM

https://twitter.com/sabotagetimes/status/163259336053891072

Fucks sake

shandy - 28 January 2012 03:04 PM

https://twitter.com/sabotagetimes/status/163259336053891072

Caught red handed there, he has no defence. It’s obvious what he is doing. Hopefully the picture will spread and he’ll be recognised and punished.

That picture is ridiculous. Get him banned.

Feel awful for evra, abuse all game. What’s he done wrong…?

So the monkey chanting thing is abhorrent and that man deserves a life ban.
However, the abuse being shouted at Evra when he’s taking throw-ins….to be fair, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a derby where any throw-in taker or corner taker doesn’t get shouted at constantly.  It’s not really fair to assume those shouting at him are racially abusing him is it?

Billy Bob - 28 January 2012 03:35 PM

So the monkey chanting thing is abhorrent and that man deserves a life ban.
However, the abuse being shouted at Evra when he’s taking throw-ins….to be fair, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a derby where any throw-in taker or corner taker doesn’t get shouted at constantly.  It’s not really fair to assume those shouting at him are racially abusing him is it?

He has certainly been singled out for far more vitriol than normal, as result of the Suarez incident. To suggest any different is just naive.

Warper - 28 January 2012 03:39 PM

Billy Bob - 28 January 2012 03:35 PM

So the monkey chanting thing is abhorrent and that man deserves a life ban.
However, the abuse being shouted at Evra when he’s taking throw-ins….to be fair, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a derby where any throw-in taker or corner taker doesn’t get shouted at constantly.  It’s not really fair to assume those shouting at him are racially abusing him is it?

He has certainly been singled out for far more vitriol than normal, as result of the Suarez incident. To suggest any different is just naive.

To be fair I only caught the last 30 minutes of the game and I didn’t see any moments where he was singled out (other than by the cameras constantly showing him).  I’m sure it was worse at the beginning of the game, was just asking whether it was fair to assume racist abuse based on yelling.

He was booed every second he was on the ball, all game long. And he was the only one. I never said it was all racist abuse, but it was all done as a result of the incident. The Liverpool fans booing him obviously feel this was justified, and are obviously wrong.

Scum

Billy Bob - 28 January 2012 03:42 PM

Warper - 28 January 2012 03:39 PM

Billy Bob - 28 January 2012 03:35 PM

So the monkey chanting thing is abhorrent and that man deserves a life ban.
However, the abuse being shouted at Evra when he’s taking throw-ins….to be fair, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a derby where any throw-in taker or corner taker doesn’t get shouted at constantly.  It’s not really fair to assume those shouting at him are racially abusing him is it?

He has certainly been singled out for far more vitriol than normal, as result of the Suarez incident. To suggest any different is just naive.

To be fair I only caught the last 30 minutes of the game and I didn’t see any moments where he was singled out (other than by the cameras constantly showing him).  I’m sure it was worse at the beginning of the game, was just asking whether it was fair to assume racist abuse based on yelling.

The only reason he’s getting booed is because of the Suarez incident. I’m not deffending it but if there was racist intent wouldn’t Danny Welbeck have been targeted as well. The one positive to be taken is that there seemed to be no chanting about Munich and Hillsbourgh.

José and his Amazing Technicolor Overcoat - 28 January 2012 04:32 PM

Billy Bob - 28 January 2012 03:42 PM

Warper - 28 January 2012 03:39 PM

Billy Bob - 28 January 2012 03:35 PM

So the monkey chanting thing is abhorrent and that man deserves a life ban.
However, the abuse being shouted at Evra when he’s taking throw-ins….to be fair, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a derby where any throw-in taker or corner taker doesn’t get shouted at constantly.  It’s not really fair to assume those shouting at him are racially abusing him is it?

He has certainly been singled out for far more vitriol than normal, as result of the Suarez incident. To suggest any different is just naive.

To be fair I only caught the last 30 minutes of the game and I didn’t see any moments where he was singled out (other than by the cameras constantly showing him).  I’m sure it was worse at the beginning of the game, was just asking whether it was fair to assume racist abuse based on yelling.

The only reason he’s getting booed is because of the Suarez incident. I’m not deffending it but if there was racist intent wouldn’t Danny Welbeck have been targeted as well. The one positive to be taken is that there seemed to be no chanting about Munich and Hillsbourgh.

Rumours, I emphasise, that 3 Man Utd fans have been arrested for spitting on the Hillsborough memorial at Anfield.

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

That’s a shame. To hear a minority on both sides disrespecting the memories of the dead is a disgrace. Only presumed there wasn’t as you couldn’t hear it on the tv.

shandy - 28 January 2012 03:04 PM

https://twitter.com/sabotagetimes/status/163259336053891072

Mersyside police are investigating this.

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 05:45 PM

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

Did I miss something?

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 05:45 PM

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

And what would they be then?

Warper - 28 January 2012 06:18 PM

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 05:45 PM

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

Did I miss something?

Clearly

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 05:45 PM

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

Him pushing away Suarez after pinching his skin and swatting away his arm after being talked to by the ref should not outweigh the fact that he was racially abused. Evra was never in the wrong here. Had he himself retaliated with calling Suarez racially abusive names then you might have a case. But you don’t so just stop.

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 08:35 PM

Warper - 28 January 2012 06:18 PM

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 05:45 PM

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

Did I miss something?

 

Clearly

Really? Is that all you’re willing to say on the matter? What exactly did Evra do that justifies him being abused, in your estimation?

Warper - 28 January 2012 08:46 PM

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 08:35 PM

Warper - 28 January 2012 06:18 PM

Sid Lowe’s Caveat - 28 January 2012 05:45 PM

Really disappointed to see that photo. There was plenty of booing of evra which was to be expected, not because he was racially abused but because of his own actions during the Suarez affair, and if anyone thinks their own set of fans wouldn’t have done the same you’re either naive or stupid.

Not that I was booing myself, or condone those who did, mind.

Sadly I did see one LFC fan near me do the aeroplane arms and another said something about ‘plane crashing scum’ to his mate.

Some Utd fans sang a Hillsbourgh song.

Really sad that in this day and age people can’t understand why it’s my acceptable to chant about people dying.

Otherwise it was a cracking atmosphere when it was just ‘banter’ going back and forth.

Did I miss something?

Clearly

Really? Is that all you’re willing to say on the matter? What exactly did Evra do that justifies him being abused, in your estimation?

Isn’t it clear what he was doing? Obviously he was both being black, and receiving racial abuse. The shear arrogance of it, what a terrible person Evra is.

This reminds me when people make excuses for rape, “Well she shouldn’t have dressed so provocatively”. Not exactly the same but the basic premise of shifting the blame/focus is similar. Liverpool fans are finding Suarez actions indefensible so they’re trying to shift the focus.

I should have known better than to make this thread.

BlueCrew LA - 28 January 2012 08:56 PM

This reminds me when people make excuses for rape, “Well she shouldn’t have dressed so provocatively”. Not exactly the same but the basic premise of shifting the blame/focus is similar. Liverpool fans are finding Suarez actions indefensible so they’re trying to shift the focus.

It’s not even about defending Suarez now apparently, it’s about giving their fans a reason to be booing Evra when all he did was report that he was racially abused.

Triggs - 28 January 2012 10:02 PM

BlueCrew LA - 28 January 2012 08:56 PM

This reminds me when people make excuses for rape, “Well she shouldn’t have dressed so provocatively”. Not exactly the same but the basic premise of shifting the blame/focus is similar. Liverpool fans are finding Suarez actions indefensible so they’re trying to shift the focus.

It’s not even about defending Suarez now apparently, it’s about giving their fans a reason to be booing Evra when all he did was report that he was racially abused.

From the top of the club to the bottom nobody at Liverpool has understood what this is about from the beginning, which tells you all you need to know about LFC really.

Liverpool fans boo Evra because they think he lied/exaggerated (and i have to agree with them, Evra past record on this kind of stuff says he is a liar)

Shivam - 28 January 2012 03:05 PM

The Liverpool reason why they are booing Evra is because he is a liar. That is all fine and dandy, but Suarez admitted to calling Evra the N word.

He never used the N-word nor he admitted to using the N word. (the world you are looking for in Negro which is used in Uruguay and Argentina in non-racial non-hostile content quite a lot)