HMRC have now moved to put Rangers in to administration.

Alternative Alf Garnett - 14 February 2012 12:17 PM

however given the implications for other SPL clubs, there is a very strong chance that New Rangers will be parachuted straight into the top division.

I would boycott Scottish football if that happened.

Cesar Muniz Fernandez’s Hair Wax - 14 February 2012 12:37 PM

How do you get yourself into a situation where the chairman can profit from liquidation? Surely a conflict of interests.

A quick google search will show Mr Whyte’s MO. Approx 75 companies aquired & liquidated. How Rangers fans never saw this coming is beyond me - the guy shoud have been chased the length of Edmiston Drive before he got his foot over the door.

It looks like Rangers will be entering administration today, apparently the SPL have already docked the 10 points.

StMirrenBarca - 13 February 2012 06:36 PM

Marcus Speller - 13 February 2012 05:59 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if the SPL bailed Rangers out in some way. I can’t see them going under even though it’s a massive possibility at the moment.

Thing is Marcus, the Scottish league system had no intention of doing that for Celtic in the 1990’s so if the SPL did that a massive shitstorm would kick off.

Don’t tell me that there’s a chance that one half of the Old Firm will think that the SFA favours their rivals?! Surely not!

FieldMarshall85 - 14 February 2012 02:22 PM

It looks like Rangers will be entering administration today, apparently the SPL have already docked the 10 points.

Roddy Dunlop (Rangers’ lawyer) has tolf the court that Rangers will appoint an administrator today, if the court don’t appoint an administrator on behalf of HMRC

Rangers must appoint their own administrator before 3.30 pm today or HMRC will appoint one. Rangers’ lawyers confident of meeting the deadline.

Does who appoints the administrator have a big affect on what happens next?

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 01:10 PM

Alternative Alf Garnett - 14 February 2012 12:17 PM

however given the implications for other SPL clubs, there is a very strong chance that New Rangers will be parachuted straight into the top division.

I would boycott Scottish football if that happened.

You will be sadly missed

I have a few friends in the buisness and finance industries in Glasgow and the rumour going around is that this was always the plan. Whyte may be a front to get us through this period with a money man in the background waiting to take over the club once the debt is sorted out, this may be Murry but hopefully not.
HMRC are using this as a test case and apparently have cases against up to 15 clubs in Britain that have been using the same payment system as Rangers. Man u ar supposably 1 of these clubs.

Is it too early to commission a poem on the topic from Joe Snee?

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 03:12 PM

Does who appoints the administrator have a big affect on what happens next?

The HMRC appointment will be an angry and aggressive appointment whereas a Rangers appointment would be looking to consolidate and compromise.

An HMRC appointment would eat their soul and shit it out then probably eat it again, shit it out again and throw it at Whyte.

Imagine Rangers as a big cream cake and HMRC as a very angry man with a huge hammer.

Michael Mols lovely wife - 14 February 2012 03:16 PM

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 01:10 PM

Alternative Alf Garnett - 14 February 2012 12:17 PM

however given the implications for other SPL clubs, there is a very strong chance that New Rangers will be parachuted straight into the top division.

I would boycott Scottish football if that happened.

You will be sadly missed

Sorry but there is no way a club who have spent way beyond their means for the best part of 2 decades and avoided paying £50 million + in tax should be allowed to waltz back into the top division just because of who they are. Livi were demoted to the bottom tier for failing to settle a £300,000 bill with the local council. If it was any other club in this situation, the question of letting any potential pheonix club straight back in again would not arise, they’d just be thrown out of the league. You can’t have special rules for the Old Firm.

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 03:39 PM

Michael Mols lovely wife - 14 February 2012 03:16 PM

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 01:10 PM

Alternative Alf Garnett - 14 February 2012 12:17 PM

however given the implications for other SPL clubs, there is a very strong chance that New Rangers will be parachuted straight into the top division.

I would boycott Scottish football if that happened.

You will be sadly missed

Sorry but there is no way a club who have spent way beyond their means for the best part of 2 decades and avoided paying £50 million + in tax should be allowed to waltz back into the top division just because of who they are. Livi were demoted to the bottom tier for failing to settle a £300,000 bill with the local council. If it was any other club in this situation, the question of letting any potential pheonix club straight back in again would not arise, they’d just be thrown out of the league. You can’t have special rules for the Old Firm.

If a pheonix club is set up it will go to a vote of the SPL clubs whether to let them back in.If they didnt let then in it would mean a huge loss of income for all the clubs because of tv money and travelling support, it also wouldnt improve there chances of winning anything as celtic will win the league regardless.SPL chairmen will never vote for this(turkeys/xmas). It may not be right but it is what will happen and you boycotting scottish football will not change it and the only people u will b hurting is Aberdeen

Rangers are officially in administration

On a positive note Hearts have paid their latest tax bill

A quick google search will show Mr Whyte’s MO. Approx 75 companies acquired & liquidated. Throw in a few other names such as Mr Whyte in here, Dave Richards stands out for me personally. Adam Crozier anyone ??

The Scottish FA, and unquestionably the English FA, and probably the Spanish FA among many, many others, have got to be as guilty as Rangers/Pompey et al here. No regulation, no fit and proper persons test (that has any bearing on reality), no standards of conduct.

If a manager says a referee is poor, or Joey barton tweets something, then theres a full scale investigation, enquiry, etc, etc. Look at the fuss over Suarez Evra, or Capello’s resignation. Important events definitely but the elephant in the room is that a huge number of clubs are in deep trouble.

Total idiots in charge of our beautiful game - football will eventually implode, its already starting to.

No matter how the game will pan out, the Old Firm at Ibrox in March is going to be a joyous occasion

Why didn’t they just claim that all of their income was gifts and donations from fans..

shandy - 14 February 2012 06:13 PM

Why didn’t they just claim that all of their income was gifts and donations from fans..

For an investment portfolio

szymm - 14 February 2012 04:46 PM

On a positive note Hearts have paid their latest tax bill

That’s not a positive note.

Am I right that Rangers cant enter europe in administration? If so, Motherwell and Hearts have a HUGE chance to go through into the CL

simon - 14 February 2012 06:44 PM

Am I right that Rangers cant enter europe in administration? If so, Motherwell and Hearts have a HUGE chance to go through into the CL

I thought Scotland lost the second champions’ league place for this season?

Michael Mols lovely wife - 14 February 2012 03:51 PM

If a pheonix club is set up it will go to a vote of the SPL clubs whether to let them back in.If they didnt let then in it would mean a huge loss of income for all the clubs because of tv money and travelling support, it also wouldnt improve there chances of winning anything as celtic will win the league regardless.SPL chairmen will never vote for this(turkeys/xmas). It may not be right but it is what will happen and you boycotting scottish football will not change it and the only people u will b hurting is Aberdeen

It would improve everyone’s chances of winning one of the cups. It’s not out of the ordinary for one of the Old Firm to be turned over, but it’s very unusual for both of them to be knocked out before the final. Without Rangers, everyone has a got a good chance of a final, and a reasonable chance of winning a trophy. It also gives everyone a better chance of qualifying for Europe.

I’ve already made my points about the tv money further back in the thread, but essentially TV money isn’t that large a portion of income in the SPL compared to in England. And what we do get is divided up in a way which is ridiculously skewed towards the Glasgow clubs anyway. Without Rangers the pot probably will get smaller, but it’s also a chance for the other clubs to lobby for a more equitable share of the cash, without the Celtic and Rangers teaming up to veto any change.

As for the travelling support propping us up, Rangers bring just under 4,000 fans here twice a season (or once if we’re rubbish and finish in the bottom 6 again). So we’d potentially lose 8,000 ticket sales over the the 19 home league games. Now I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest that a decent Aberdeen team, with increased chances of winning cups and Europe, could attract an extra 420 home fans per week, which is what that equates to.

I can’t deny when this all came out yesterday I was rather amused by it all.

I’d like to point that if both Rangers and Celtic were gone tomorrow not every club in Scotland would be up shits creek, St.Johnstone are a extremely well run club, where around only 30% of their income is from football matters I think St.Mirren are another good example of a club living within its means.

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 06:47 PM

simon - 14 February 2012 06:44 PM

Am I right that Rangers cant enter europe in administration? If so, Motherwell and Hearts have a HUGE chance to go through into the CL

I thought Scotland lost the second champions’ league place for this season?

Got it back for this season only. Next season we loose coefficient points from the season when rangers went to manchester and Celtic got to last 16 of CL.

Due to the new set up for qualification if Motherwell or hearts reach CL they will have to play against other teams which qualified without winning league so no teams from lower leagues. Also the club that gets it will be unseeded. Last season with this type of qualification the possible opponents were Arsenal, Bayern, Lyon etc.

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 06:47 PM

simon - 14 February 2012 06:44 PM

Am I right that Rangers cant enter europe in administration? If so, Motherwell and Hearts have a HUGE chance to go through into the CL

I thought Scotland lost the second champions’ league place for this season?

I’m not certain but I think we do next season, although not the season after that.

Waldo Ponce - 14 February 2012 07:08 PM

I can’t deny when this all came out yesterday I was rather amused by it all.

I’d like to point that if both Rangers and Celtic were gone tomorrow not every club in Scotland would be up shits creek, St.Johnstone are a extremely well run club, where around only 30% of their income is from football matters I think St.Mirren are another good example of a club living within its means.

Hibs have been very well run in recent years, after making financial mistakes towards the end of the last millenium/start of the new one.

We’ve made a proft every year apart from the last financial year (I think, possibly last 2) since 2005.

Throw in a state of the art £5M training complex and a brand new stand at Easter Road and it’s pretty impressive.

Toon_Don - 14 February 2012 07:01 PM

Michael Mols lovely wife - 14 February 2012 03:51 PM

If a pheonix club is set up it will go to a vote of the SPL clubs whether to let them back in.If they didnt let then in it would mean a huge loss of income for all the clubs because of tv money and travelling support, it also wouldnt improve there chances of winning anything as celtic will win the league regardless.SPL chairmen will never vote for this(turkeys/xmas). It may not be right but it is what will happen and you boycotting scottish football will not change it and the only people u will b hurting is Aberdeen

It would improve everyone’s chances of winning one of the cups. It’s not out of the ordinary for one of the Old Firm to be turned over, but it’s very unusual for both of them to be knocked out before the final. Without Rangers, everyone has a got a good chance of a final, and a reasonable chance of winning a trophy. It also gives everyone a better chance of qualifying for Europe.

I’ve already made my points about the tv money further back in the thread, but essentially TV money isn’t that large a portion of income in the SPL compared to in England. And what we do get is divided up in a way which is ridiculously skewed towards the Glasgow clubs anyway. Without Rangers the pot probably will get smaller, but it’s also a chance for the other clubs to lobby for a more equitable share of the cash, without the Celtic and Rangers teaming up to veto any change.

As for the travelling support propping us up, Rangers bring just under 4,000 fans here twice a season (or once if we’re rubbish and finish in the bottom 6 again). So we’d potentially lose 8,000 ticket sales over the the 19 home league games. Now I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest that a decent Aberdeen team, with increased chances of winning cups and Europe, could attract an extra 420 home fans per week, which is what that equates to.

that might be ur view on the matter but the club chairmen who have to run the clubs and pay the bills will vote to keep rangers in.

I think we should all club together, buy the club and name it Glasgow Ramblers F.C. I’ll put in £8

It’s been confirmed that the game against Kilmarnock at the weekend will be on. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Not something I really wanted to see, on my birthday of all days.

RFT 123 - 14 February 2012 09:44 PM

It’s been confirmed that the game against Kilmarnock at the weekend will be on. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Yeah it’s really hard to tell what the atmosphere will be like.

Question to Gers fans: let’s assume that you make a Phoenix club, would you rather take a place in Scottish 3rd Division or Darlington’s place in the Blue Sq. North?

@leshandy - 14 February 2012 10:15 PM

Question to Gers fans: let’s assume that you make a Phoenix club, would you rather take a place in Scottish 3rd Division or Darlington’s place in the Blue Sq. North?

Anyone who says Scottish 3rd division is insane. It would be a great chance to do something new out of a horrible situation.

@leshandy - 14 February 2012 10:15 PM

Question to Gers fans: let’s assume that you make a Phoenix club, would you rather take a place in Scottish 3rd Division or Darlington’s place in the Blue Sq. North?

I’m sorry, completely off topic, but am I the only one that keeps thinking of this everytime someone mentions Phoenix clubs

Thanks, that really made me laugh despite the bad situation.

Paul Murray already indicated he’s interested in getting a consortium together.

If we manage to get to the Summer, shafted our creditors, new owner and a shell of a club to embark on a rebuilding process then I’m buying a bottle of champagne to celebrate.

I’m not sure what the football ramble forum etiquette on this sort of thing is but I wrote a short article on the subject earlier for anyone interested. http://sportales.com/soccer/do-celtic-really-want-life-without-rangers/ I’m really only just getting into this article writing stuff so I’d be grateful for any criticism on wrong information, poor grammar/spelling (I’m trying to get a few errors fixed but it takes ages once submitted) or anything else. Sorry if it’s not alright to self-publicise like this, someone delete the post and I’ll go along happily. Cheers.

Michael Mols lovely wife - 14 February 2012 08:49 PM

that might be ur view on the matter but the club chairmen who have to run the clubs and pay the bills will vote to keep rangers in.

The Killie chairman previously said he would be happy to have fewer games against the Old Firm if it would benefit the league. The backlash from fans of the medium sized clubs like Hearts, HIbs, Aberdeen and Dundee United would be huge.

I really have to disagree with people who say the SPL would be an uncompetitive joke without Rangers. It’s a joke league now. In fact,rather than seek re-election to the SPL, they should form a new league where they can play Celtic 38 times a season, as that’s all anyone seems to care about. The rest of us can just get on with it.